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PostSubject: We the Sheeple   6/2/2009, 00:46

Well, I hate to say I told you so last fall, but.... here's an article I found on Pravda's English website about the takeover of America that's happening right now before our very eyes. These guys from Russia should know, because they've been under Marxism since 1917 and have first hand experience in how free societies are taken over by totalitarians. I think, though, they got one thing wrong - the takeover of America is being led by Facists, not Marxists. Obama is doing exactly what Hitler did to gain control of Germany in the 30s. If Marxists, then it is a combination of the 2 ideologies, which it well could be. Either way, evil is evil, whatever other name you choose give it. If you want to verify what I've printed below, I copied the article from HERE! Let me warn you that there is some content (partial nudity) on the page could be offensive to some. I didn't know it had this kind of content - I was just following a link from Glenn Beck's webpage. Anyhow, that's why I chose to print the article here instead of just giving you the link. Hope you will pass this on to as many people as you know. Maybe America will wake up one day, but probably not before it's too late!

American capitalism gone with a whimper
(An Article Found in English Pravda)


It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.

True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.

Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.

First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our "democracy". Pride blind the foolish.

Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the "winning" side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America.

The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.

These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate them?

These men, of course, are not an elected panel but made up of appointees picked from the very financial oligarchs and their henchmen who are now gorging themselves on trillions of American dollars, in one bailout after another. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the American congress (parliament). Again, congress has put up little more then a whimper to their masters.

Then came Barack Obama's command that GM's (General Motor) president step down from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the land of "pure" free markets, the American president now has the power, the self given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees of private companies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his minions.

So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed this up with a "bold" move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the guarantee of automobile policies. I am sure that if given the chance, they would happily try and redesign it for the whole of the world, too. Prime Minister Putin, less then two months ago, warned Obama and UK's Blair, not to follow the path to Marxism, it only leads to disaster. Apparently, even though we suffered 70 years of this Western sponsored horror show, we know nothing, as foolish, drunken Russians, so let our "wise" Anglo-Saxon fools find out the folly of their own pride.

Again, the American public has taken this with barely a whimper...but a "freeman" whimper.

So, should it be any surprise to discover that the Democratically controlled Congress of America is working on passing a new regulation that would give the American Treasury department the power to set "fair" maximum salaries, evaluate performance and control how private companies give out pay raises and bonuses? Senator Barney Franks, a social pervert basking in his homosexuality (of course, amongst the modern, enlightened American societal norm, as well as that of the general West, homosexuality is not only not a looked down upon life choice, but is often praised as a virtue) and his Marxist enlightenment, has led this effort. He stresses that this only affects companies that receive government monies, but it is retroactive and taken to a logical extreme, this would include any company or industry that has ever received a tax break or incentive.

The Russian owners of American companies and industries should look thoughtfully at this and the option of closing their facilities down and fleeing the land of the Red as fast as possible. In other words, divest while there is still value left.

The proud American will go down into his slavery with out a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world, how free he really is. The world will only snicker.

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PostSubject: Re: We the Sheeple   6/3/2009, 09:26

Thanks Repa!! SCARY!!! affraid

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PostSubject: Re: We the Sheeple   6/3/2009, 12:55

We are indeed in perilous times, but America has been there before and has not been beaten down. In March of last year the congress convened the 6th "secret, closed door" session in over 176 yrs. It is widely believed that the news of our pending economic collapse was delivered to them at that time. The corrupt financial leadership of Wall St had gambled with the nation's economy and they lost. Our economy had for some time been a paper tiger with little actual production to back up the escalating GNP. When banks have the power to create something from nothing and then charge interest on their creation it can't end well.

The only value that can be added to an economy without simply juggling numbers must come from production or it is only a sham perpetrated on the people. Integrating our economy with others of third world countries and outsourcing labor to artificially prop up profits and dividends has weakened us while giving the impression of growth in corporate value. That impression was based upon little more than delayed inflation and manipulated interest rates that camouflaged the sinking middle class. The first generation to leave their offspring less than they received from their parents is not a title to be proud of.

The world tied it's wagon to our star and now that star is falling. If we don't prop up the same people and institutions that caused our dilemma we risk a world wide depression that no one knows how to predict in it's depth or duration. I don't agree with a lot that is currently being done in the name of "stimulus", but the potential alternatives scare me at my core. Can America survive a depression if Russia and China aren't similarly effected, or emerge from it before we do? Can America recover with the weight of an out of control health care system saddling employers with higher costs than they spend on raw materials? What will it cost our economy when a third of our nation's population goes without health care coverage? What would a 25% unemployment rate do to our already beleaguered safety net? These are the possibilities facing our nation and we, perhaps, are better off if we don't have to discover the answers to those questions.

In any event, our course has been forced upon us and is unlikely to change now that the wheels are set in motion. I think that the damage can be minimized if our condition causes us to reassess how we deal with critical components of our economy and take steps now to chart a wiser course than we were on before. Had the full knowledge of our situation not been hidden from us earlier we might have the luxury of different options and less drastic measures. I do worry that we have not addressed the root causes of our problems and are scrambling to plug holes in the dam rather than fortifying it's base.

America is owed a full accounting of where the money went and who took it, but I don't think that the current political climate would allow for that yet, as the wounds of the last election are still too fresh. Our nation's leadership will have to, very soon, make that accounting and we will have to let the chips fall where they may on both sides of the political divide. I don't believe that we can continue to avoid reality and suspend our disbelief because of political loyalties without damaging our nation beyond repair. I do not advocate witch hunts to give fodder to politicians, but there is obvious culpability for our dilemma that has to be resolved and perpetrators that must be brought before the people's justice.
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PostSubject: Re: We the Sheeple   6/3/2009, 20:27

For starters I went to the site, and seen it's not news it's columns which are opinion(Look in the address bar, it says opinions right there in the link.)... Seems republican Smile...

And I have no say in this as I had no idea what's being talked about they all confuse me; especially Novice lol; but I think it's good with all the big words lol; I'm to lazy to look them up, so I'll let you guys fight it out Smile...
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PostSubject: Re: We the Sheeple   6/3/2009, 21:11

wwe9112 wrote:

For starters I went to the site, and seen it's not news it's columns which are opinion(Look in the address bar, it says opinions right there in the link.)... Seems republican Smile...

And I have no say in this as I had no idea what's being talked about they all confuse me; especially Novice lol; but I think it's good with all the big words lol; I'm to lazy to look them up, so I'll let you guys fight it out Smile...


The short version is: While Bernie Madoff, Bear Stearns and AIG were tearing down our economic future, the government was busy making sure that Martha Stewart went to jail. Most of what they did appears to have been legal, thanks to deregulation for "some", but Martha was public enemy #1. A lot of people were given mortgages that they couldn't pay, but our financial sector leveraged those loans many fold by pulling money out of thin air. Every dollar in bad mortgages represented about one hundred dollars in fictitious investments. Both the mortgages and the investments were fraudulent, but the scale of damage is obvious.
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PostSubject: Re: We the Sheeple   6/3/2009, 21:58

I really don't think he is the anti-christ - but it does concen me the way that so many people seem so taken by his charisma. Things are definetly looking bad.

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PostSubject: Re: We the Sheeple   6/3/2009, 22:20

fay47 wrote:
I really don't think he is the anti-christ - but it does concen me the way that so many people seem so taken by his charisma. Things are definetly looking bad.

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I agree that "anti-Christ" is probably quite a bit over the top. I don't mind his charisma as it assures that what he does will be reported upon. I don't think he will be more than a few feet away from the press for quite a while to come. What does bother me is the lack of balance that we now have in our government. I probably lean a bit more liberal (center left) than many here, but I still don't trust politicians.

On a subject completely unrelated to Obama's political abilities; Isn't it great to see a young family in the White House again? Obama's daughters will probably accomplish more to improve our nation than all the present politicians combined. The endless photo ops they are sure to present will be potential inspiration for American kids of all ethnic backgrounds and cultures. America has finally broken the "old white guy" syndrome. It won't make a whit of difference, and that's the message.
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PostSubject: Re: We the Sheeple   6/3/2009, 22:48

I remember that lol i still wonder, but I now doubt it I mean since like tons of people think he is, do you think God would pick someone that everyone thinks he is?

Maybe the pope? He sits on earth as the 'most holey person' there is on earth? Idk, a thought to think about I mean, he is the leader of the Catholic church, and is seens as the least sinful guy on earth by many; maybe he could like easily corrupt people or what ever.
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PostSubject: Re: We the Sheeple   6/3/2009, 23:35

novice61 wrote:
On a subject completely unrelated to Obama's political abilities; Isn't it great to see a young family in the White House again? Obama's daughters will probably accomplish more to improve our nation than all the present politicians combined. The endless photo ops they are sure to present will be potential inspiration for American kids of all ethnic backgrounds and cultures. America has finally broken the "old white guy" syndrome. It won't make a whit of difference, and that's the message.


Hear, hear.... cheers to that! Here's to you!

As an outsider, its nice to see people noticing this
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PostSubject: Re: We the Sheeple   6/4/2009, 00:31

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A lot of people were given mortgages that they couldn't pay, but our financial sector leveraged those loans many fold by pulling money out of thin air. Every dollar in bad mortgages represented about one hundred dollars in fictitious investments. Both the mortgages and the investments were fraudulent, but the scale of damage is obvious.


True, but what started the slide and why were these people given loans they couldn't pay back? Because Barney Franks, Chuck Shummer (spelling?), Obama, Chris Dodd and Harry Reed other influential democrat leaders blocked all Republican efforts to implement and enforce regulation that would have prevented the mortgage defaults. They did this by threating Senate filibusters when Republicans had the majority, and when they took over the majority in 2006, they forced banks and other lending institutions by threating them to make these loans (or else) to minorities and the poor, under the pretense that every American has the "constitutional right" to own their own home, so they could experience the "American dream." What they got (and what we got) was the American nightmare! This man has quadrupled the national debt in 4 months in office, compiling more debt than all of that combined from George Washington to George Bush! Our children and grandchildren will never be able to pay off this debt, and will never have or experience the life that we have, both materially and in freedom! You will never be able to convince me that the collapse of the economy, beginning with the failure of the housing industry and the banks and lending institutions wasn't orchestrated and timed by these democrats to occur as it did and when it did for their own political and personal gain at the expense of the American people. Think I'm a conspiracy nut? No, I just keep up with who's doing what in Washington and predicted what is happening now a long time ago. If anyone thinks that this is going to end well, then you certainly haven't learned anything from history. Even Chavez sees Obama to the left of himself and has stated so publically.

The question to be asked is why these companies rolled over on their backs without so much as a whimper when the government gave those who asked for bailouts, and forced others to take bailouts they didn't want or need, and now is telling them all how to run their companies, who to hire and fire, and how much they can be paid? Why isn't anyone standing up to these blantantly unconstitutional acts? Consider why the corner grocer in Chicago doesn't stand up to the mob, but keeps his mouth shut and pays his "protection money." If you can answer this question, then you can surmise why no one is challenging Obama and his minions. It can be summed up in one word: FEAR! They are using mob tactics to get what they want to take over this country! And, if no one who is affected by this administration's policies and tactics will stand up and challenge this by taking them to court (they are the only ones who can), then we are doomed to the fate the American people so blindly and willingly voted for - the destruction of capitalism and the eventual loss of all freedom, just like the people of Nazi Germany did. We have just witnessed the seduction the American sheeple!

What would have worked to the good of the country in the long term would have been to let AIG, GM, Chrysler, Bear Stearns and the others fail and file for chapter 11 bankrupcy, reorganize, and let the market sort things out. Any government interference should have been limited to significantly reducing corporate and capital gains taxes, enforcing the regulations that exist for making loans instead of forcing banks and lending institutions to make unsecured loans to people who would never qualify under existing guidelines, and reducing income taxes on everyone or at least not letting the Bush tax cuts expire next year. We would be out of this in 2 years or less with a fraction of the debt we now have, and with the economy booming again because the right incentives for profit making would have been in place. What we are getting instead is Facism - banks, other lending institutions and major car manufacturers, all private institutions that are now owned and operated by our government; a government that is going to tell other companies that they haven't bailed out how much their corporate executives can be paid; a government that is going to force the production of cars no one wants; a government controlled media that censors what is being said and reported to the public (as if that isn't already happening); a government that acknowledges the right of Iran and N. Korea to have nuclear power but refuses to let this country have the same, cheap source of energy; a government that will not allow drilling for oil and natural gas in order to force prices to the point no one can afford with no viable alternative energy sources on the horizon to take their place; a government that will not allow power plants to use coal (even with clean coal technology) or those that do slapped with heavy fines - these are all energy policies that will triple the cost of energy (gas, oil, and electricity) to the average American; a government that will force the acceptance of unions in companies by intimidation, thus raising the cost of goods and services to all Amicans; a government that will place a higher tax burden on small businesses making $250K or more such that many small businesses will fail, putting millions of Americans out of work (small businesses account for 75% of the workforce); a government that will raise capital gains and corporate taxes, stifling investment and forcing large corporations to move their operations off-shore to other countries, costing 100s of thousands of American workers their jobs; a government so hostile to business that we will experience unemployment in the long term that you haven't dreamed of; a healthcare system that will rob everyone of income through taxes to keep it afloat, with appointments and treatments for serious and potentially fatal diseases months to years away, or treatment refused altogether as in Canada, Britain, etc. (why do you think so many of these people from other countries come here for treatment? -because they can't get it in their country; they'll tell you it's free, but they'll also tell you it's worthless - and it really isn't free because their governments rob them of their income through taxation, just like they will here); a government that soothes its slaves with crumbs from the table (like $13 more per paycheck I think we were told - big whoopy!) while they live high on the hog on our tax dollars - oh yes, they will make everyone equal, and equally miserable except for themselves; a government that will not protect our borders, will cripple or eliminate our intelligence gathering methods and sources, cutback our military, and put this country at risk of 100s of thousands or millions being slaughtered by islamic terrorists bent on our destruction.

Oh well, I shouldn't have printed this, but what the heck - maybe it will wake up somebody to what is really happening to this country. But, probably not....

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PostSubject: Re: We the Sheeple   6/4/2009, 01:41

Shocked I think I may have to reconsider posting my full opinion. Neither of us will alter the other's thinking by enough to justify alienating an old friend. I always assumed you to be fairly conservative, but I didn't know you bought all of that party line.

I'll take a little time to organize some background material from reputable sources and will simply post it for you to read or not. What you have posted is "part" of the truth, as I see it, so we're really not that far apart. We do differ widely on our views of the cause of our current mess tho.

I probably would have voted for Ron Paul if I thought that he had a chance or would live past his inauguration if he did win. Since neither seemed likely, I voted for Obama as the only realistic alternative to what I saw as a dangerous and dysfunctional old geezer with no moral compass and an obsession with the military. Sorry, but that's how I viewed it. I am far from an Obamaniac, but I don't see him as the path to our ruin either. The pendulum had swung too far and got stuck for too long and needed to be kicked back into motion while we still have a middle class to rebuild our country.

Please don't take this as endorsing Obama's (Geithner's?) recovery plans. I too think we should have allowed the banks to fail and put our money into more local investment and loan banks that could have been more responsive to the people. Wall St created their bed and should have been made to lie in it. Detroit was somewhat a victim of circumstances but should have been more nimble in a highly volatile economy with unstable fuel costs. As it is, they are bankrupt anyway, but some of the downstream suppliers have been saved from the same fate.
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PostSubject: Re: We the Sheeple   6/4/2009, 16:43

Keith, each of us has our own opinions, and that is fine. No worries on losing any friendship here, we are not of their ilk (the politicians). The whole Washington crowd is totally corrupt and I see the government as nothing more than a legalized maffia, willingly supported by a populace that has been systematically dumbed down by the public education system for the last half century, and doesn't have a clue as to what's really going on or how close we are to losing our freedom. I am conservative, yes, but see both parties as totally corrupt and support neither. Ron Paul would have been a better choice, but hardly an ideal one. Washington needs to be cleaned out - we need to vote all of those $#@&*%^@ out to change things. Sorry if I sounded too blunt above, but I really care about this country and it is no longer the country I grew up in.

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PostSubject: Re: We the Sheeple   6/4/2009, 18:08

Repa,

Just found this and immediately thought you would want at least one.

http://site.despair.com/governmentmotors/
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PostSubject: Re: We the Sheeple   6/4/2009, 22:13

ROFL Great idea, wish I'd thought of that! Thanks!

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PostSubject: Re: We the Sheeple   6/6/2009, 00:30

Not to fan the fire, but you might like to read this. It's about the GM / Chrysler bankruptcy / bailout.

http://www.truthout.org/060409LA
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